Final Vote: The Ken Holland Award

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May 5, 2014 20:20:29 GMT -5 Tbone (Kelowna) said:

Thanks for the vote Frank - I'm sure there were many close choices that could've gone either way, and could still go either way depending on how prospects turn out. So still tied now overall? (or maybe just keep that unknown so there's no pressure on any potential deciding vote)

No problem, it was a very thought decision since one gm had some great picks and some bad picks.

Here's the top picks from each team:

Barrie:
Frans Neilsen - round 10th(239th overall)
Tyson Barrie- round 11th(242nd overall)
Zajac-15th round(338th overall))
J.Jokinen-19th round(434th overall)
Frolik-24th round(575)
P. Maroon- 27th round(626th overall)
Elias-31st overall-(722)
Grossman-33rd round(770th overall)
B. Bollig-34th round(815th overall)
Jeff Zatkoff-37th round(866)


Kelowna:

Pavelski- 5th round
P.Stastny-13th round(296th overall)
Darcy Kuemper-16th round(377th overall)
F. Anderson-28th round(665th overall)
P.Gaustad- 31st round(725th overall)
Jonathan Ericsson-36th round(857th overall)


Here's the bad pick for each team:

Barrie:

Luke Schenn-6th round
Francois Beauchemin- -8th round(191)
Lucas Lessio- 22nd round
Linden Vey-28th round
Mac Carruth-32nd round

Kelowna:

Tyler Biggs- 22nd round
M. Latta- 25th round



Barrie had more miss but also more steals then Kelowna. Kelowna had very little miss but much less steals. So at the end of the day I felt Kelowna was the better drafter between the two of them.

Ps.: How can you take Beauchemin before Trouba or Dillion before Chara. Just crazy!!! By the way here's a couple of my steals:

Kyle Turris- 10th round
Jacob Trouba- 11t round


I'll stop it there since it's not about me. So guy's congrats on the great draft guys!!

[Bruyns (Barrie)]

May 5, 2014 21:21:47 GMT -5 @thenudge said:

No problem, it was a very thought decision since one gm had some great picks and some bad picks.

Here's the top picks from each team:

Barrie:
Frans Neilsen - round 10th(239th overall)
Tyson Barrie- round 11th(242nd overall)
Zajac-15th round(338th overall))
J.Jokinen-19th round(434th overall)
Frolik-24th round(575)
P. Maroon- 27th round(626th overall)
Elias-31st overall-(722)
Grossman-33rd round(770th overall)
B. Bollig-34th round(815th overall)
Jeff Zatkoff-37th round(866)


Kelowna:

Pavelski- 5th round
P.Stastny-13th round(296th overall)
Darcy Kuemper-16th round(377th overall)
F. Anderson-28th round(665th overall)
P.Gaustad- 31st round(725th overall)
Jonathan Ericsson-36th round(857th overall)


Here's the bad pick for each team:

Barrie:

Luke Schenn-6th round
Francois Beauchemin- -8th round(191)
Lucas Lessio- 22nd round
Linden Vey-28th round
Mac Carruth-32nd round

Kelowna:

Tyler Biggs- 22nd round
M. Latta- 25th round



Barrie had more miss but also more steals then Kelowna. Kelowna had very little miss but much less steals. So at the end of the day I felt Kelowna was the better drafter between the two of them.

Ps.: How can you take Beauchemin before Trouba or Dillion before Chara. Just crazy!!! By the way here's a couple of my steals:

Kyle Turris- 10th round
Jacob Trouba- 11t round


I'll stop it there since it's not about me. So guy's congrats on the great draft guys!!

I think Stone and Olsen need to be in the top picks based on where I took them and the stats they put up. Olsen posted big stats and I took him 719th after he went 108th and the GM was fired lol

Disagree with my bad picks, Schenn was 3rd in hits with 260, 113 blocks and 2min+ SHTOI and Beauchemin was 11th in blocks despite missing 12 games and added 112 hits and 3+min of SHTOI. They did exactly what I drafted them for and there is no way they were bad picks since they were key pieces in winning hits, blocks and SHTOI each week. Beauchemin went before Trouba since Trouba was unproven and might not have given me the hits, blocks and SHTOI I was after and he didn't since Beauchemin had better stats than Trouba in all those cats. Trouba is the better more valuable asset, but I built a team that was to compete right away and Beauch was the safer and better pick short term.

I also don't think it's fair to call my prospects bad picks. How can a 21 year old Lessio who just led his AHL team with 29 goals in 69 games in his 1st pro season be labelled a bad pick? He hasn't even got the chance to prove what he can do at the NHL level and you don't know what his periph stats will be like. Vey had 48 points in 43 AHL games is 22 years old and could be a 2nd line W which is pretty good for a 28th round pick.

My bad picks were Oleksy and Bartley, but at least I got rid of Bartley by trading him to you for a good D.

I also thought Kelowna's Latta pick was fine and could be a very valuable player in IFFHL for his hits and PIMs.

[Bruyns (Barrie)]

Not canvassing for votes either just had to reply since I disagreed with the assessment.

[Dave (PLK)]

Abbotsford, Red Army, Calgary, Chicago, Edmonton, Erie, Hamilton, Surrey have not voted.

Erie not voting - new gm

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May 6, 2014 7:36:06 GMT -5 Bruyns (Barrie) said:

May 5, 2014 21:21:47 GMT -5 @thenudge said:

No problem, it was a very thought decision since one gm had some great picks and some bad picks.

Here's the top picks from each team:

Barrie:
Frans Neilsen - round 10th(239th overall)
Tyson Barrie- round 11th(242nd overall)
Zajac-15th round(338th overall))
J.Jokinen-19th round(434th overall)
Frolik-24th round(575)
P. Maroon- 27th round(626th overall)
Elias-31st overall-(722)
Grossman-33rd round(770th overall)
B. Bollig-34th round(815th overall)
Jeff Zatkoff-37th round(866)


Kelowna:

Pavelski- 5th round
P.Stastny-13th round(296th overall)
Darcy Kuemper-16th round(377th overall)
F. Anderson-28th round(665th overall)
P.Gaustad- 31st round(725th overall)
Jonathan Ericsson-36th round(857th overall)


Here's the bad pick for each team:

Barrie:

Luke Schenn-6th round
Francois Beauchemin- -8th round(191)
Lucas Lessio- 22nd round
Linden Vey-28th round
Mac Carruth-32nd round

Kelowna:

Tyler Biggs- 22nd round
M. Latta- 25th round



Barrie had more miss but also more steals then Kelowna. Kelowna had very little miss but much less steals. So at the end of the day I felt Kelowna was the better drafter between the two of them.


Ps.: How can you take Beauchemin before Trouba or Dillion before Chara. Just crazy!!! By the way here's a couple of my steals:

Kyle Turris- 10th round
Jacob Trouba- 11t round


I'll stop it there since it's not about me. So guy's congrats on the great draft guys!!

I think Stone and Olsen need to be in the top picks based on where I took them and the stats they put up. Olsen posted big stats and I took him 719th after he went 108th and the GM was fired lol

Disagree with my bad picks, Schenn was 3rd in hits with 260, 113 blocks and 2min+ SHTOI and Beauchemin was 11th in blocks despite missing 12 games and added 112 hits and 3+min of SHTOI. They did exactly what I drafted them for and there is no way they were bad picks since they were key pieces in winning hits, blocks and SHTOI each week. Beauchemin went before Trouba since Trouba was unproven and might not have given me the hits, blocks and SHTOI I was after and he didn't since Beauchemin had better stats than Trouba in all those cats. Trouba is the better more valuable asset, but I built a team that was to compete right away and Beauch was the safer and better pick short term.

I also don't think it's fair to call my prospects bad picks. How can a 21 year old Lessio who just led his AHL team with 29 goals in 69 games in his 1st pro season be labelled a bad pick? He hasn't even got the chance to prove what he can do at the NHL level and you don't know what his periph stats will be like. Vey had 48 points in 43 AHL games is 22 years old and could be a 2nd line W which is pretty good for a 28th round pick.

My bad picks were Oleksy and Bartley, but at least I got rid of Bartley by trading him to you for a good D.

I also thought Kelowna's Latta pick was fine and could be a very valuable player in IFFHL for his hits and PIMs.

Bartley wasn't a bad pick for a 38th round pick. Also the deal I made was more for the picks then Bartley. Do you remember I also receive a 3rd 2014 and 2nd 2015. Without those pick that deal wouldn't have happen.
Scandella is ok but that's about it. Beauchemin was a bad pick at that spot since if you wanted a player that got your bang for your bucks I would have taken Gudas who's a beast at hits,BKS,Pim.

3.5M(2))Bauchemin-round 8th(191) - 70gp-4G-17A-20pts - +26-39PIM-112 hits-171 BKS-3:11 PK-1:40 PP
vs
991,667(3))Radko Gudas-round 12th(275th)- 73gp-3G-19A-22pts- +2-152PIM-273 hits-138BKS-1:43Pk-00:46 PP


About Oleksy, he was a bad pick and I did notice him. He was selected in the 21st round and Kelowna select DPS which was a much better pick. I know it’s too early to call those prospect like Latta or Vey or Biggs bust but I really think they will be better suited for the AHL then in the big leagues. Look at Martin St.Pierre, the kid always had great stats in the AHL but he never made it to the big leagues. So shit happen and again Congrats guys.

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kelowna be my vote matee.

[Dave (PLK)]

arrrr matey...you have to check the box

[ltcompton (Red Army)]

Very close, I voted for Barrie

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May 3, 2014 10:36:00 GMT -5 Tbone (Kelowna) said:

May 2, 2014 21:20:19 GMT -5 Bruyns (Barrie) said:

I hope your not pulling a Frank and voting for yourself Jimmy lol.

Well.. Eric did request that 'All' GM's voted, so I did.. I'll let you try to figure out which way I voted

Only 5 votes remaining.

Funny thing is the final may come down to who voted for themselves!!

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Why wouldn't you vote for yourself if you think you had the better draft ? I rather not vote then to vote for the gm that would be my competition. If someone vote for themselves and they don't think they had the better draft then shame on them. Either way I hope that Ken Holland award is share by two gm meaning a tie then have one winner. So go Kelowna go !! Gl to all!

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Congratulations to the Barrie Colts!

First ever winner of The Ken Holland Award!

[Dave (PLK)]

Well done Matt.

[Tbone (Kelowna)]

Congratulations Matt, very well deserved, no one else I'd rather lose to than you. I'm sure there will be many GMs modelling their teams against yours to succeed in this league.