League contraction: 24 to 22 teams

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League contraction: 24 to 22 teams

This topic was brought up informally in dicsussion, so maybe it is worth to explore. I am personally not on either side of the fence currently (so don't worry about making a comment soley to disagree with me Jimmy!).


Please discuss. The way I see it now:

Pro's:
1) If a dispersal draft was done properly, we can fix the parity issue in the short term by making right past errors.
2) Less GM's are eaiser to manage (at an admin level).
3) Draft pick values slightly increase with two less draft spots per round ( I suppose this is a negative for those who traded away thier picks already).
4) More starting goalies to share. ( This could also be a negative for GMs who hoard goalies in the minors as thier value slightly decreases)

Con's:
1) Change is met with resistance most often than not.
2) loss of value in border line IFFHL players.
3) Possible Playoffs restructure: 16 out of 22 teams may be a bit imbalanced (crappy teams make playoffs).
4) May have to increase the cap ceiling. (this could be a positive for some).

Let me know guys.

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If with reduce it by two, will we have a small draft for the left over or would we simply put those player's available at the waiver draft. If we added those player to the waiver draft then we need to know the sooner the better since it will effect the value of our waiver picks. Also how fair is it for the gm that traded their waiver picks and loss a chance at let's say getting their hand on Brock Nelson,PK Subban, Quick,Bryan Little,Saad,Bryden Schenn,Nanthan Mackinnon... ? THe good thing from reducing will be to have a better shot at obtaining parity since anyone that will be drafting in the top 10 will be able to help themselves in a big way. I see a lot of good from reducing but I just feel it's very unfair for a team like I or Kelowna or Buffalo that have work hard to get ourselves where we are atm to only see a team getting extra help when we never did. But I'll put the league over my need and if it's for the best interest of the league then I'm in. But wouldn't it make more sense to add round to the waiver draft and to add let say 10 extra spot for the roster size?

[Vancouver Canucks]

I think we should do everything we can to maintain 24 teams. Contraction should be a "worst case scenario" option.

If we were to ever contract, I believe Will (if he agrees of course) should be given one of the teams and we would dismantle Richmond.

As mentioned above, contraction affects a number of things (picks, player values, etc.).

I can't figure out why this league has trouble recruiting new owners, I certainly do not have this problem in other fantasy leagues.

[burnsy8801(Leafs GM)]

I am in about a half dozen or more keeper leagues and GM's come and go...we just have to try and find replacements as the opportunity comes along. Dismantling teams should be an extreme last resort.

This may or may not make me Mr. Popular but in any of my other leagues we do not have a ruling where we can "stash" active full time NHLers beyond a games played number. Generally this is around 100 to 110 games played for forwards and defense and 65 games played or around there for goalie games played. Once they reach those numbers they need to be called up and placed on your active roster or traded or cut loose. There is a pretty sizable difference between the talent being hoarded and harvested on a team like Kelowna vs Richmond and Nepean and even my own team. This is what is thinning out the waiver wire draft pool. After the 1st round the talent in that pool is about as strong as wet toilet paper! I have never seen a league that you can keep active NHLers in your minors while rostering a full active team just to keep them from your competitors. This goes to the whole cap space and roster limits...what good is it to set a roster cap limit of $78 million or whatever if you can have $50 million tucked away in the minors whether you use them or not? This is why we have only so many winger, centre, Dmen, Goalies and bench along with IR spots. Even the real NHL has consequences to cap dollars if they bury players in the minors and they only have 50 roster contracts maximum also. What I am curious about is whoever thinks they can find even more prospects and pluggers to put in their minors where are they coming from? We don't need guys in the 3rd tier in the German Elite League in our minors for crying out loud.

Anyways...as far as the two teams that are short on GM's lets keep looking for replacements...ask around...ask a buddy or a co-worker or a cousin, etc...I live in a town of barely more than 3000 people so chances are if anyone is looking for a fantasy team of any sport they likely already have many such as myself and the Canucks GM. But I am sure some of ou live in a much larger town and we can be looking on Dobber or on hockey forums etc.

While some of my rant probably doesn't belong in this thread I thought it was best to just put it into one spot. Keep in mind that one of the things that skews our league is supply and demand and I have seen this in other leagues that I am no longer in for this very reason. If you have guys like Rickard Rackell, Mark Borowieki, Kris Russel, Chris Wideman, Mike Weber, David Backes, Sven Baertschi, Robby Fabbri all in your minors (sorry Kelowna not picking on you directly---forgive me for using your squad as an expample but it is the winning team this year) then they are of a certain less use to you since they aren't getting you any points at the moment whereas they would be on the starting roster on more than atleast half the teams in our league and what do you suppose a team would or should pay in trade value from a have not perspective versus what should or would Kelowna accept as value? This is not a good thing in my opinion. Supply and demand is great but not like this. Backes is a stud and while he may have been in the minors due to injury it was probably short lived not like Pronger or Savard etc... this is what IR slots are for. If you have used all of your IR slots and the player has more than 150 games played than you should have to make a trade to accommodate the movement.

Again only my 2 cents. I am at work so I will leave it at that.

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We all ready have the gp requirement set to determine who's exempt from waiver and who's not. Here's the requirement:


-Any player who is over the age of 21 (born before Oct 1/92) and has played in more than 150 games (before Oct 1st of each season) must clear waivers to send down to minors.

-Any goaltender who is over the age 22 (born before Oct 1/91) and has played in more than 75 games (before Oct 1st of each season) must clear waivers to send down to minors.

-Any player who is over the age of 28 (born before Oct 1/85) must clear waivers to send down to minors.

[burnsy8801(Leafs GM)]

So how is it possible that all these NHLers are in the minors? Are they just being put down there in the off season like I just did to Tanner Glass, Joffrey Lupul and Mark Fayne or what? I wasn't picking on any one GM in our league but there seems to be a loophole here or am I wrong?

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Apr 21, 2016 10:02:32 GMT -5 burnsy8801(Leafs GM) said:

So how is it possible that all these NHLers are in the minors? Are they just being put down there in the off season like I just did to Tanner Glass, Joffrey Lupul and Mark Fayne or what? I wasn't picking on any one GM in our league but there seems to be a loophole here or am I wrong?

Yes there is a loophole.

Stashing your vets in the minors during waiver free period. Then put your waiver exempt players on your starting roster.

Waiver free period is during the playoffs.

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Burnsy - a player can be assigned to the minors waiver free after a trade. You'll note that this is what I did this year, and paid a hefty price to obtain these guys. Cheers, Dave.

[burnsy8801(Leafs GM)]

Thank you for clearing this up for me, much appreciated. Cheers.

[Dave (PLK)]

we are back up to 23.

need to replace Abitibi now.

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Apr 21, 2016 10:06:53 GMT -5 @alsrevenge said:

Burnsy - a player can be assigned to the minors waiver free after a trade. You'll note that this is what I did this year, and paid a hefty price to obtain these guys. Cheers, Dave.

Don't forget that during the dead period ( after the playoff until the kick off of the season ) everyone are exempt from waiver. Once you set your roster and the season as started then you ll need to send the player threw waiver if your sending that player to the minor.

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Can we set a hard date on last possible time to have 24 active GMs?

I don't think anyone wants drift wood teams for next season. If we can't find 24 active GMs (log in at least once a week) by date _____ then I suggest we need to proceed with a contraction draft. We would need time to complete this before the start of the season. And to allow time to adjust salary cap ceiling. We also need time to decide the details on how the draft will work.

We need to plan this out as our Plan B incase we don't get 24 active GMs. I hope we don't have to use Plan B but we need to have it ready in our back pocket just in case.

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Apr 25, 2016 8:40:48 GMT -5 @eric said:

Can we set a hard date on last possible time to have 24 active GMs?

I don't think anyone wants drift wood teams for next season. If we can't find 24 active GMs (log in at least once a week) by date _____ then I suggest we need to proceed with a contraction draft. We would need time to complete this before the start of the season. And to allow time to adjust salary cap ceiling. We also need time to decide the details on how the draft will work.

We need to plan this out as our Plan B incase we don't get 24 active GMs. I hope we don't have to use Plan B but we need to have it ready in our back pocket just in case.

Also consider the timing of the entry & waiver drafts. Do we want to have 24 GMs firmed up before hand? Or are we okay with auto-picks? If not, then we have to get moving on this back-up plan sooner rather than later.

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Apr 25, 2016 8:56:07 GMT -5 @eric said:

Apr 25, 2016 8:40:48 GMT -5 @eric said:

Can we set a hard date on last possible time to have 24 active GMs?

I don't think anyone wants drift wood teams for next season. If we can't find 24 active GMs (log in at least once a week) by date _____ then I suggest we need to proceed with a contraction draft. We would need time to complete this before the start of the season. And to allow time to adjust salary cap ceiling. We also need time to decide the details on how the draft will work.

We need to plan this out as our Plan B incase we don't get 24 active GMs. I hope we don't have to use Plan B but we need to have it ready in our back pocket just in case.

Also consider the timing of the entry & waiver drafts. Do we want to have 24 GMs firmed up before hand? Or are we okay with auto-picks? If not, then we have to get moving on this back-up plan sooner rather than later.

If we need to set a deadline then it would be for early September since the waiver draft is normally in September.

[Dave (PLK)]

it would need to be before the entry draft Frank.