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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2014 17:36:40 GMT -5
Hey Dave, I don't have Belfast's 1st waiver pick. I have his first entry draft pick Cal is for California, Cgy is Calgary now i feel dumb. haha thanks |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2014 18:45:18 GMT -5
Good points blues, September sounds good also for the waiver draft - maybe into training camp so we can see who may surprise and increase the potential pool of players to select from (anything but August, everybody seems to be away then). Actually didn't mind the slow draft, as long as we have time, which we should have plenty of for the Entry in which there's no real rush - we tried the timed draft during the supplemental waiver and that seems to work well when there's a particular deadline to work against. Regarding league parity, agree we should try to keep as much as possible, yet we do have some teams who have jumped into full-on rebuild mode fairly early on - and some teams even admit that having lots of young up-and-coming prospects to look forward to is actually more fun than competing for the title year after year - so to each their own. Everybody has their own motivations for joining fantasy leagues, so as long as they have a high commitment level think that's the key. thanks, I just like to help out where I can. I took a look at your 2013 entry draft and compared it with a league I am in which has a timed draft. It started on July 8th, same as yours and ended about the same time. If you are interested in the format I use there, let me know and I can C&P here for you to look at, use or not. rebuilding a team can be tough and a different structure to try and compete further down the road, I am more worried by those teams at the tops of the league who don't need to use waivers to rebuild, but can take advantage of the waiver priority in this league. |
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Post by Tbone (Kelowna) on Feb 15, 2014 20:35:43 GMT -5
I thought about that too, given the reluctance of many GMs to utilize any waiver pickups this year in fear of losing their spot. Part of the problem is that we have so few players actually going through waivers, pretty sparse pickings there. But yeah, if no one picks 'em up, the one's at the bottom will certain pick them up at little to no risk. I actually picked Emery up because knew Rebels needed a Goalie - he's one of the stronger teams, so anything to gain a bit of advantage during playoffs.. but really surprised no one wanted to take a chance given the sparsity of goalies in this league - and the impact they can bring.
Maybe during the off-season, we open up the rules a bit to increase waiver activity a bit more - and maybe limit pickups to one per month or something like that to prevent the bottom teams from taking them all.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2014 21:05:15 GMT -5
Maybe during the off-season, we open up the rules a bit to increase waiver activity a bit more - and maybe limit pickups to one per month or something like that to prevent the bottom teams from taking them all. I am a firm believer in no league is ever perfect. It is important to be constantly striving to improve the league. Don't want to over-do it but stagnant leagues tend to not last long. I still believe that in waivers, the bottom teams are supposed to take the players dropped that way. It might suck for better teams to not be able to get the dropped players that they want but it important for those bottom teams to improve, to compete and keep the top teams always in flux. If you have a bad team and the rules work against you ever improving, as I've said there are just way too many options out there to join other, free leagues and only the enjoyment of being in this league is what keeps any of us here. |
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Post by Tbone (Kelowna) on Feb 16, 2014 10:19:26 GMT -5
Have no problem that the teams in the most need take most of the waiver drops - problem is some teams may not necessarily want to improve, at least not right away - and they're not taking those players - almost had to beg someone else to take Emery so they could improve themselves. So a lot of the players on waiver, that may be valuable to contenders, seem to have no value to others. My view is that it's all about asset management - everything has some value, at least to somebody and it's all about maximizing your assets to your advantage, no matter where you fall in the standings. And when I said 'to prevent the bottom teams from taking them all' - actually meant the teams at the bottom of the waiver wire - since once a team picks somebody, they fall to the bottom, but then have nothing to lose so can continue to endlessly pick them up if no one else is willing.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2014 16:15:32 GMT -5
Have no problem that the teams in the most need take most of the waiver drops - problem is some teams may not necessarily want to improve, at least not right away - and they're not taking those players - almost had to beg someone else to take Emery so they could improve themselves. So a lot of the players on waiver, that may be valuable to contenders, seem to have no value to others. My view is that it's all about asset management - everything has some value, at least to somebody and it's all about maximizing your assets to your advantage, no matter where you fall in the standings. And when I said 'to prevent the bottom teams from taking them all' - actually meant the teams at the bottom of the waiver wire - since once a team picks somebody, they fall to the bottom, but then have nothing to lose so can continue to endlessly pick them up if no one else is willing. I see what you are saying but the people at the bottom of the waiver wire "should" have the right of first refusal. A proper waiver wire, not this kind. IMO the kind of waiver wire you have is important when a league begins because there is no simple and fair way to determine waiver priority but once you have stats to use, that should be the only thing you need to determine it. Just my 2 cents, what ever strategy works for the Commish is fine by me. One other idea I had that might help to with waivers would be when a team is putting a player through waivers for the purposes of putting them on their minor team. We all know it is a risk and in the name of asset management, most of us would rather just ride out the player who isn't performing on our active roster or trade him than run the risk. Now perhaps it is better to leave it to trading but we have a supplemental draft. We could always remove a round or 2 and create a rule where if a team loses a player to this kind of waiver claim, they get an additional pick in the supplemental draft. In sort of a "first come, first serve" manner. I don't know if this would be a viable option or even a positive one. With no ability to sign free agents in this league (which is an interesting challenge and change that I am looking forward to) risking losing assets is a big one. |
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Post by Dave (PLK) on Feb 16, 2014 16:36:07 GMT -5
I think you guys are confused somewhat about the waiver draft.
The summer waiver draft order resets to reversal of the standings.
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Post by Tbone (Kelowna) on Feb 16, 2014 19:37:00 GMT -5
Think we were talking about the in-season waiver-wire, not the waiver draft (at least I was). You're right Blues that think most GMs would loathe losing assets for nothing (at least I would), so when faced with a roster/cap situation, would just trade the asset for even a lowly pick then lose the player for nothing. This really makes the whole waiver wire sort of pointless, since no asset of any value (that someone can perhaps get something for) would ever be put through it. That rule of putting traded assets directly to the minors is a game changer in this instance - as if it wasn't there, teams will be more forced to put players on waivers when needed - and likewise teams would have to think carefully about picking them up.
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Post by Dave (PLK) on Feb 16, 2014 21:13:03 GMT -5
Have no problem that the teams in the most need take most of the waiver drops - problem is some teams may not necessarily want to improve, at least not right away - and they're not taking those players - almost had to beg someone else to take Emery so they could improve themselves. So a lot of the players on waiver, that may be valuable to contenders, seem to have no value to others. My view is that it's all about asset management - everything has some value, at least to somebody and it's all about maximizing your assets to your advantage, no matter where you fall in the standings. And when I said 'to prevent the bottom teams from taking them all' - actually meant the teams at the bottom of the waiver wire - since once a team picks somebody, they fall to the bottom, but then have nothing to lose so can continue to endlessly pick them up if no one else is willing. I see what you are saying but the people at the bottom of the waiver wire "should" have the right of first refusal. A proper waiver wire, not this kind. IMO the kind of waiver wire you have is important when a league begins because there is no simple and fair way to determine waiver priority but once you have stats to use, that should be the only thing you need to determine it. Just my 2 cents, what ever strategy works for the Commish is fine by me. One other idea I had that might help to with waivers would be when a team is putting a player through waivers for the purposes of putting them on their minor team. We all know it is a risk and in the name of asset management, most of us would rather just ride out the player who isn't performing on our active roster or trade him than run the risk. Now perhaps it is better to leave it to trading but we have a supplemental draft. We could always remove a round or 2 and create a rule where if a team loses a player to this kind of waiver claim, they get an additional pick in the supplemental draft. In sort of a "first come, first serve" manner. I don't know if this would be a viable option or even a positive one. With no ability to sign free agents in this league (which is an interesting challenge and change that I am looking forward to) risking losing assets is a big one. What do you mean "proper waiver wire" ? |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2014 22:13:54 GMT -5
I see what you are saying but the people at the bottom of the waiver wire "should" have the right of first refusal. A proper waiver wire, not this kind. IMO the kind of waiver wire you have is important when a league begins because there is no simple and fair way to determine waiver priority but once you have stats to use, that should be the only thing you need to determine it. Just my 2 cents, what ever strategy works for the Commish is fine by me. One other idea I had that might help to with waivers would be when a team is putting a player through waivers for the purposes of putting them on their minor team. We all know it is a risk and in the name of asset management, most of us would rather just ride out the player who isn't performing on our active roster or trade him than run the risk. Now perhaps it is better to leave it to trading but we have a supplemental draft. We could always remove a round or 2 and create a rule where if a team loses a player to this kind of waiver claim, they get an additional pick in the supplemental draft. In sort of a "first come, first serve" manner. I don't know if this would be a viable option or even a positive one. With no ability to sign free agents in this league (which is an interesting challenge and change that I am looking forward to) risking losing assets is a big one. What do you mean "proper waiver wire" ? it was very late, clarity was not my friend. by proper waive wire I mean how the NHL handles waivers. |
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Post by Dave (PLK) on Feb 17, 2014 8:59:13 GMT -5
We do waivers the same as in the nhl. The only difference is we have a waiver draft....
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Post by Tbone (Kelowna) on Feb 17, 2014 10:27:03 GMT -5
Think he meant that the waiver order doesn't change on pickups, so is always based on current standings - so lowest ranked team always gets first priority.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2014 12:28:31 GMT -5
We do waivers the same as in the nhl. The only difference is we have a waiver draft.... having a static waiver order that teams only lose their priority once they've made a waiver claim is not the same as how the NHL does it. It is okay, I posted all of this in the wrong section and it isn't overly important anyway. my attempts at offering suggestions falls flat when I am writing these posts up late at night and coherency falls flat. cheers. |
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Post by Dave (PLK) on Feb 17, 2014 12:41:49 GMT -5
Oh ok... I am open to discussing this off season to change it to match nhl rule. I think it is better to keep the order static.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2014 17:03:29 GMT -5
I'm with Blues gm, I feel it would benefit the league to start our waiver draft during the month of September. Why September? Easy, we can make a better assessment of the quality of the waiver draft.
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