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Post by Tbone (Kelowna) on Mar 29, 2014 9:52:44 GMT -5
Still 15 votes pending...
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2014 13:20:00 GMT -5
Well my choice isn't listed there, so I don't have a vote on this one.
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Post by Tbone (Kelowna) on Mar 29, 2014 15:12:16 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2014 18:12:55 GMT -5
tl;dr. I'd love for us to discuss things before just tossing together random polls.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2014 18:13:31 GMT -5
I'm not voting either as just tossing things into a poll seems counterproductive.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2014 18:26:19 GMT -5
why random anything? just make a verified thing and go with that. it doesn't have to be a huge reward. in a league I am in, the presidents choice winner gets the first pick in the 3rd round and the 2nd in the 4th round. the stanley cup winner gets the 2nd pick in the 3rd round and the 1st in the 4th round.
it's just something, I mean if you are going to punish the stanley cup winner by dropping him from wherever his team ends up in the regular season but because his team managed to be good for a 3-4 week span at the end of the season they get fucked. that just doesn't seem right to me. or fair.
bragging rights are fine and dandy but I at least want a league with rules that make sense. top teams already have to struggle with low draft picks and a salary cap with player salary's that are out of their control. there are natural checks and balances built into the system.
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Post by Tbone (Kelowna) on Mar 29, 2014 21:03:19 GMT -5
Well, suppose that's where everybody's definition of 'fairness' may be different. Do see your viewpoint, but my view is that if you happen to win the Cup this year, you're the last team I want to see doing well next year and potentially repeating. No matter how bad your team may be and if you lucked out in winning (though in this league being category based, think it'll be very difficult to 'luck' out in winning four rounds, as opposed to pure points based leagues where 2-3 really hot players can make a significant difference)
I prefer random simply as I think it's 'fun'. We used a random generator for all the draft orders and there was excitement in anticipating the results. Sure it may not be totally fair, but in this league I don't mind if we bias towards fun.
Do agree that perhaps we should have some initial open discussion before opening polls to determine potential polling options, that should reduce the number of 'Re-Polls'. Perhaps just create a potential Polling Discussion thread that is not a simple yes/no - for each new polling idea so everybody can throw in their options. But do think we need to narrow down the options to a reasonable number, can't have 15 polling options where a couple of votes will win, so do think there needs to be someone to make a decision on the final polling options - which I think Dave was trying to make.
Do appreciate your input Blues and your experience from other leagues, as shown already think it does open up some possibilities we haven't thought of before which is always good. But just remember we are our own unique league here, so will undoubtedly have different interpretations of what we want and what we think is fair - and will be probably a bit boring if we just copy other leagues exactly - so a blend of opinions is good.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2014 10:35:05 GMT -5
"It's not fair if your team did well."
"It's fun to anticipate the randomness."
That isn't congruent and imo is no way to run a league.
I don't mean to sound like a bitch all the time, but you need standardization if you want to run a competitive league and that is what it sounds like you want to do. if this is all just for whacky, random fun then I'll stop scouting now. What's the point?
you can start off a league with random and exciting new funness but we are past that stage. now we need stability, uniformity and standarization. we need to be rewarded for our successes and not penalized for them. the rewards don't have to be huge, as I pointed out examples from my other leagues, but they have to be more than "just a banner".
if no reward than just no extreme penalties. as I suggested cap space before for the league winner (for the following year only) even 2% for that upcoming season is something.
I don't expect or even want the adaptation of rules from leagues I've been in or anyone else has. I am just offering as examples from what has worked in my past experience and I also will offer examples of things that haven't worked...the ones I haven't erased from memory, heh.
but I can't stress it enough, standardization and set goals are vital, imo. we need things to strive for that we can have an expect outcome because if it's just random...well that is going to get old quick, imo.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2014 14:57:56 GMT -5
I think a lottery adds a fun element; the Stanley Cup winner is getting an extra waiver pick that can be anywhere from 1st overall to 50th.
And to state that everything needs to be standardized to maintain league competitiveness makes no sense to me. There will be a lottery starting in 2015 among non-playoff teams to determine the top pick overall. That random lottery encourages competitiveness as it reduces the incentive to tank.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2014 19:53:08 GMT -5
I haven't voted and it won't let me vote!!  |
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Post by ltcompton (Red Army) on Mar 31, 2014 0:18:42 GMT -5
2nd rounder all the way, just reward for a job well done
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Post by Dave (PLK) on Mar 31, 2014 14:00:14 GMT -5
7 GMs still are required to vote.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2014 14:23:59 GMT -5
Why are votes "required"? None of the selections match my opinion
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2014 14:48:00 GMT -5
Why are votes "required"? None of the selections match my opinion dave is just doing proper admin house cleaning. It's more of a reminder to everyone and himself than an expectation for those who are abstaining. Hi5 |
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Post by Bruyns (Barrie) on Mar 31, 2014 15:19:56 GMT -5
I'm the only one who voted nothing lol. I think bragging rights and recognition are a reward. The team who wins is already going to be good so why give them any more of an advantage heading into next season is my opinion. The choices won't make much of an impact so it doesn't bother me, just don't see why a tangible reward needs to be given.
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