Pre-vote: The Ken Holland Award

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I wasn't at the draft, I don't have an interest in dissecting the draft. I won't be voting as I do not have a full overview over each GM's "job"

this kind of award might be better served in the future by asking GMs to nominate other GMs than themselves and state the reasons for their nominations. Otherwise it just seems like a popularity contest.

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Apr 26, 2014 13:35:44 GMT -5 @zaphod said:

I wasn't at the draft, I don't have an interest in dissecting the draft. I won't be voting as I do not have a full overview over each GM's "job"

this kind of award might be better served in the future by asking GMs to nominate other GMs than themselves and state the reasons for their nominations. Otherwise it just seems like a popularity contest.

For the other GMs, this is an example of attitude we don't need in the IFFHL. Everyone here volunteers there own personal time to make this place a fun league for everyone to enjoy. If a GM simply requests a vote for a fun award, it should not be too much to ask; especially with a response such as quoted above. There are other areas in our league where strong opinions are appreciated like the suggestion box or on changing stats.

The Awards are a time when we lay aside our pride and give credit to our fellow GMs for a job well done in a certain area of the GM routine. For this particular award, we are honouring a certain GM for their expert skills in drafting; especially in the late rounds of the draft.

It is certainly not a popularity contest. Although voting for yourself is possible, I certainly do not think that is appropriate.

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Apr 27, 2014 7:54:02 GMT -5 @rdrebels said:

Apr 26, 2014 13:35:44 GMT -5 @zaphod said:

I wasn't at the draft, I don't have an interest in dissecting the draft. I won't be voting as I do not have a full overview over each GM's "job"

this kind of award might be better served in the future by asking GMs to nominate other GMs than themselves and state the reasons for their nominations. Otherwise it just seems like a popularity contest.

For the other GMs, this is an example of attitude we don't need in the IFFHL. Everyone here volunteers there own personal time to make this place a fun league for everyone to enjoy. If a GM simply requests a vote for a fun award, it should not be too much to ask; especially with a response such as quoted above. There are other areas in our league where strong opinions are appreciated like the suggestion box or on changing stats.

The Awards are a time when we lay aside our pride and give credit to our fellow GMs for a job well done in a certain area of the GM routine. For this particular award, we are honouring a certain GM for their expert skills in drafting; especially in the late rounds of the draft.

It is certainly not a popularity contest. Although voting for yourself is possible, I certainly do not think that is appropriate.

If this is the reason you'd like me to leave, please say the word.

My vote is uninformed, it means nothing in this category.  Thus it becomes a popularity contest.  I could just have said nothing and not voted or blindly voted but then, what is the point?

Instead I offered my reasons for me not voting.  I think it is a really cool thing to vote on these awards and to give credit to fellow GMs for hard work, oustanding jobs all around.

My suggestion was to require other GM's to nominate winners rather than blindly vote.  It has already been stated that at least one GM voted for himself.

What is the point of that?  If we all vote for ourselves, nobody wins and I think the spirit of this award is lost.

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Too funny, at least I was men enough to say I voted for myself and express my reasoning quite well. I have nothing against of having a rule that you can't vote for yourself. But Eric is right about Zaphod(you) have a certain attitude that is not always appreciate by us the gm. But I do appreciate you didn't vote and you gave your reasoning for it. But why didn't you go threw the draft and vote for the best drafty ? Were you too lazy to do so ? If you are then we definitely don't need that in the league.

I just don't get why you didn't put the effort to make your vote credible?


Ps.: I know your a very good gm and love love to give your opinion on everything and it's very good for this league. But at time it would be fun if you could drop the attitude. Either way we are glad to have you here since your active and very knowledgeable.

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I don't understand the hate on Zaphod in here. I prefer to have someone express his opinion of why he didnt vote than have 10 people voting with no reasoning behind it(frank, erik, barrie and myself are the only one who explain their choices). Even though I would never vote for myself, Frank did it and I'm fine with it as long as the person explained himself, which he did.

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I agree I don't have a problem with St. Louis or Frank's comments in this thread. I thought Frank did really well in the draft especially getting a huge payoff by waiting on Mason and Bernier in the later rounds. I picked Kelowna because I think he did the best job of drafting a well rounded team. During the draft it seemed like he always picked the guy I was targeting, e.g., Stepan, Pavelski, etc.

[Dave (PLK)]

Well, looks like the missed a fun weekend... Lol


I appreciate everyone having their own opinion, but remember guys, keep it civil.

We don't need to be saying that a gm does not belong here.

You are all smart, knowledgeable guys and we need you all.

[Bruyns (Barrie)]

Apr 27, 2014 18:23:20 GMT -5 Dave (PLK) said:

Well, looks like the missed a fun weekend... Lol


I appreciate everyone having their own opinion, but remember guys, keep it civil.

We don't need to be saying that a gm does not belong here.

You are all smart, knowledgeable guys and we need you all.

+1

No one's opinion carries more weight than others (well maybe Dave). It's good to have opinionated GMs and with 24 people it's natural there will be disagreements.

I disagree that +- should be taken out and I disagree with using goalie TOI, but I like that other GMs have different views and appreciate a well thought out post and argument.

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Apr 27, 2014 12:22:02 GMT -5 @zaphod said:

Apr 27, 2014 7:54:02 GMT -5 @rdrebels said:

For the other GMs, this is an example of attitude we don't need in the IFFHL. Everyone here volunteers there own personal time to make this place a fun league for everyone to enjoy. If a GM simply requests a vote for a fun award, it should not be too much to ask; especially with a response such as quoted above. There are other areas in our league where strong opinions are appreciated like the suggestion box or on changing stats.

The Awards are a time when we lay aside our pride and give credit to our fellow GMs for a job well done in a certain area of the GM routine. For this particular award, we are honouring a certain GM for their expert skills in drafting; especially in the late rounds of the draft.

It is certainly not a popularity contest. Although voting for yourself is possible, I certainly do not think that is appropriate.

If this is the reason you'd like me to leave, please say the word.

My vote is uninformed, it means nothing in this category.  Thus it becomes a popularity contest.  I could just have said nothing and not voted or blindly voted but then, what is the point?

Instead I offered my reasons for me not voting.  I think it is a really cool thing to vote on these awards and to give credit to fellow GMs for hard work, oustanding jobs all around.

My suggestion was to require other GM's to nominate winners rather than blindly vote.  It has already been stated that at least one GM voted for himself.

What is the point of that?  If we all vote for ourselves, nobody wins and I think the spirit of this award is lost.

Somehow my words lead you to believe I wanted you to leave. This is incorrect.

To quote myself, I said "this type of atitidue". I did not say "This type of GM".

I would never ask a GM to do something I felt was unreasonable or to vote "blindly" . All you need to do is:

1) Vist the Initial, Supplementary, and Waiver Draft threads
2) Evaluate the lower round picks looking for picks that played out well this past year
3) Place a vote based on your opinion

So no blind voting. All the information is at your disposal.

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Apr 28, 2014 9:33:51 GMT -5 @rdrebels said:

Apr 27, 2014 12:22:02 GMT -5 @zaphod said:

If this is the reason you'd like me to leave, please say the word.

My vote is uninformed, it means nothing in this category.  Thus it becomes a popularity contest.  I could just have said nothing and not voted or blindly voted but then, what is the point?

Instead I offered my reasons for me not voting.  I think it is a really cool thing to vote on these awards and to give credit to fellow GMs for hard work, oustanding jobs all around.

My suggestion was to require other GM's to nominate winners rather than blindly vote.  It has already been stated that at least one GM voted for himself.

What is the point of that?  If we all vote for ourselves, nobody wins and I think the spirit of this award is lost.

Somehow my words lead you to believe I wanted you to leave. This is incorrect.

To quote myself, I said "this type of atitidue". I did not say "This type of GM".

I would never ask a GM to do something I felt was unreasonable or to vote "blindly" . All you need to do is:

1) Vist the Initial, Supplementary, and Waiver Draft threads
2) Evaluate the lower round picks looking for picks that played out well this past year
3) Place a vote based on your opinion

So no blind voting. All the information is at your disposal.

it's soo erie how Eric and I think alike. I agree 1000% with Eric on Zaphod attitude. I would never ask him to leave or that he doesn't fit here. Just to take your time before posting anything up. At times what your writting may come off not exactly the way you wanted to express yourself. Also I mention that you didn't need to vote blind, just go threw the draft which will take less then 1 hour.

I'm very happy to have a gm that is active and knowledgeable then a inactive gm. I'll really try to be more respectful toward Blues but at times I'm sure it won't be easy. About what I said that to be respect you need to earn it but same thing goes to keep it. So if I want your respect or keep the respect of everyone I need to threat everyone as equal. So hopefully you understand where I coming from and don't take my comment too much to heart.

I wish everyone a great day!!

[Dave (PLK)]

good rule of thumb - bite your tongue so you can't stick your foot in your mouth!!

[Dave (PLK)]

Abbotsford, Red Army, Edmonton, Medvescak, Niagara, Surrey to vote.

St. Louis and Erie(Tommy) abstaining - new GMs

Colorado vacant

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I'll go with Portland.

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I'm going to abstain from this vote. I wasn't here for any of the drafts, and don't know anyone's team well enough to be fair.

Ie- if someone needed a goalie but was set at forward, and chose a backup that will be a #1 goalie in a year or two (ie- Gibson), how do I compare that to someone who took a player that was a top-six forward? Without knowing all the parameters, I'm not qualified to have a vote in this thing.

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I'll wait for a few more votes before closing this up.