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Post by burnsy8801(Leafs GM) on Mar 22, 2015 0:24:11 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2015 11:57:56 GMT -5
I think the Trade Panel in this league has been quite fair in my first year of experience here, but I do think these are exactly the type of cases that make some people wish such panels didn't exist at all.
You both made a deal with good intentions using your available assets. That is good enough for me.
I don't like personal opinion interjected into the discussion by panellists. If the deal doesn't harm the sanctity of the league, it should always be allowed through no matter what.
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Post by Bruyns (Barrie) on Mar 22, 2015 22:09:18 GMT -5
I do think these are exactly the type of cases that make some people wish such panels didn't exist at all. It has been two years now with 0 trades vetoed and we are still having talk about the panel like it exists to disallow people from making trades they want. If the deal doesn't harm the sanctity of the league, it should always be allowed through no matter what. This is what is happening There wasn't really any blowback either, one member didn't like it and still said it wasn't vetoable and others thought it was a good trade. |
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Post by Bruyns (Barrie) on Mar 22, 2015 22:13:05 GMT -5
We also had GMs complaining the trade panel allowed Canners to make bad trades and that franchise is in the state it's in because of the panel not vetoing his trades.
Can't please everyone, don't veto any trades and still catch flack about there being a panel and also get complaints it isn't stricter from others.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2015 22:54:44 GMT -5
I did say the panel has been very fair. You shouldn't pull apart entire thoughts for individual sentences parts of sentences. Please quote in entirety in the future.
Doesn't mean we can't debate the purpose of a trade panel as a concept.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2015 23:32:53 GMT -5
I don't want to burst anyone bubble but those CHL stats means crap. I wouldn't trade Scherbak for Olvier and like you cans see Scherbak as less points. points only tell you how the prospect is developping which I will agree that Olivier B is doing very well. I always felt he was underated since he was drafted at 90 th overall. If i was a gm he wouldn't have went pass me if i own a 2nd round pick. Shit happens and we move on.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2015 6:54:39 GMT -5
WHL is a great breeding ground for NHL stars, but unfortunately WHL success does not equal NHL success. He'll still have to prove himself like every other prospect. He'll have to jump ahead of guys like Wennberg, Dano, Rychel, Milano, Chaput and whoever the CBJ 2015 1st will be just to get a shot in the CBJ line-up. Can he play a bottom 6 role? Surely RyJo, Jenner, Foligno, Hartnell, Atkinson, Dubi aren't going anywhere. 3rd rounders rarely get elevated to top 6 minutes.
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Post by Dave (PLK) on Mar 23, 2015 7:55:06 GMT -5
We also had GMs complaining the trade panel allowed Canners to make bad trades and that franchise is in the state it's in because of the panel not vetoing his trades. Can't please everyone, don't veto any trades and still catch flack about there being a panel and also get complaints it isn't stricter from others. ^this |
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Post by Bruyns (Barrie) on Mar 23, 2015 11:13:16 GMT -5
I did say the panel has been very fair. You shouldn't pull apart entire thoughts for individual sentences parts of sentences. Please quote in entirety in the future. Doesn't mean we can't debate the purpose of a trade panel as a concept. Sorry if you felt misquoted. I was only addressing a couple points which is why I did that rather than quoting the whole post and replying. You did say it has been very fair and then followed it up with a "but" which I felt negated the positive words and made it about why others don't like it. Everyone could read one post up what you said so it wasn't like I was quoting you out of context from something said in a different thread in the past. The concept of a panel has been debated ad nauseam with some GMs feeling it restricts their ability to trade which is an unfounded claim since no trade has ever been vetoed. Im in other leagues with no trade reviews and I've said here publicly I trust our current GMs and a panel is unneeded. It also causes 0 harm and has helped a couple GMs in the past allowing them to cancel a trade before a vote was complete rather than making a trade final the minute it is posted. An example of this was the former Canners GM trading for a KHL bound Emmerton and being able to cancel upon learning that info. Advocating for no panel is wanting to be able to take advantage of a new GM in the future or take advantage of a GMs lack of knowledge on a player. I don't see any other reason why people dislike it. Some don't like hearing a GM bash there trade maybe but if you made the trade then own it and be confident in it. Leafs did this and felt the need to brag after Bjorkstrand's great season. I think he will be a good NHLer too and good on Leafs for taking the risk on him last year. When the trade had no one wanting to veto I just didn't see it as an example of a panel not working and no reason to debate the merits again. Some GMs make mistakes when evaluating players just ask Dave how he feels about his Dubnyk trade  |
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Post by Dave (PLK) on Mar 23, 2015 12:53:08 GMT -5
thanks for bringing Duby up again Matt...lol
I KNEW I should not have given up on him.....
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Post by burnsy8801(Leafs GM) on Mar 23, 2015 13:03:18 GMT -5
Hold the phone!!! This was just me tooting my own horn of how awesome I am as a GM currently ranked 3rd last. No harm no foul. I have learned that just because Columbus is young all around and yes Bjorkstrand is behind some deadly talent that it doesn't mean his NHL debut will be halted altogether. He could end up on another team. Who knows???
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Post by Dave (PLK) on Mar 23, 2015 13:16:13 GMT -5
nothing wrong with tooting your own horn burnsy...no one else usually will!  |
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Post by Bruyns (Barrie) on Mar 23, 2015 13:24:21 GMT -5
Hold the phone!!! This was just me tooting my own horn of how awesome I am as a GM currently ranked 3rd last. No harm no foul. I have learned that just because Columbus is young all around and yes Bjorkstrand is behind some deadly talent that it doesn't mean his NHL debut will be halted altogether. He could end up on another team. Who knows??? In early December in a another league with this scoring I traded Hall + Despres for Mackinnon + Bjorkstrand. After the WJ tourney and the way he finished the year im hoping he turns out to be a steal of a 3rd rounder too. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2015 19:29:27 GMT -5
Sorry if you felt misquoted. I was only addressing a couple points which is why I did that rather than quoting the whole post and replying. You did say it has been very fair and then followed it up with a "but" which I felt negated the positive words and made it about why others don't like it. Everyone could read one post up what you said so it wasn't like I was quoting you out of context from something said in a different thread in the past. The concept of a panel has been debated ad nauseam with some GMs feeling it restricts their ability to trade which is an unfounded claim since no trade has ever been vetoed. Im in other leagues with no trade reviews and I've said here publicly I trust our current GMs and a panel is unneeded. It also causes 0 harm and has helped a couple GMs in the past allowing them to cancel a trade before a vote was complete rather than making a trade final the minute it is posted. An example of this was the former Canners GM trading for a KHL bound Emmerton and being able to cancel upon learning that info. Advocating for no panel is wanting to be able to take advantage of a new GM in the future or take advantage of a GMs lack of knowledge on a player. I don't see any other reason why people dislike it. Some don't like hearing a GM bash there trade maybe but if you made the trade then own it and be confident in it. Leafs did this and felt the need to brag after Bjorkstrand's great season. I think he will be a good NHLer too and good on Leafs for taking the risk on him last year. When the trade had no one wanting to veto I just didn't see it as an example of a panel not working and no reason to debate the merits again. I understand that, the members who've been around the longest have likely gone through some debates a couple of times now and that can be exhausting to read. From my perspective and the perspective of other newish GMs, we weren't here for those debates so we deserve a chance to make our opinions known. 1/3rd of the current GMs were not here during the 2013-14 season. I am fine with the trade panel as it presently exists. My praise was not negated, I think the panel has been as good as can be expected. I don't need this debate to be re-opened. But I also don't automatically adopt the position that everything that was decided before my time here began is written in stone. I don't think I am alone in that, even amongst original GMs. |
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Post by Bruyns (Barrie) on Mar 23, 2015 22:13:23 GMT -5
Sorry if you felt misquoted. I was only addressing a couple points which is why I did that rather than quoting the whole post and replying. You did say it has been very fair and then followed it up with a "but" which I felt negated the positive words and made it about why others don't like it. Everyone could read one post up what you said so it wasn't like I was quoting you out of context from something said in a different thread in the past. The concept of a panel has been debated ad nauseam with some GMs feeling it restricts their ability to trade which is an unfounded claim since no trade has ever been vetoed. Im in other leagues with no trade reviews and I've said here publicly I trust our current GMs and a panel is unneeded. It also causes 0 harm and has helped a couple GMs in the past allowing them to cancel a trade before a vote was complete rather than making a trade final the minute it is posted. An example of this was the former Canners GM trading for a KHL bound Emmerton and being able to cancel upon learning that info. Advocating for no panel is wanting to be able to take advantage of a new GM in the future or take advantage of a GMs lack of knowledge on a player. I don't see any other reason why people dislike it. Some don't like hearing a GM bash there trade maybe but if you made the trade then own it and be confident in it. Leafs did this and felt the need to brag after Bjorkstrand's great season. I think he will be a good NHLer too and good on Leafs for taking the risk on him last year. When the trade had no one wanting to veto I just didn't see it as an example of a panel not working and no reason to debate the merits again. I understand that, the members who've been around the longest have likely gone through some debates a couple of times now and that can be exhausting to read. From my perspective and the perspective of other newish GMs, we weren't here for those debates so we deserve a chance to make our opinions known. 1/3rd of the current GMs were not here during the 2013-14 season. I am fine with the trade panel as it presently exists. My praise was not negated, I think the panel has been as good as can be expected. I don't need this debate to be re-opened. But I also don't automatically adopt the position that everything that was decided before my time here began is written in stone. I don't think I am alone in that, even amongst original GMs. I completely agree and was in no means trying to silence your opinion. This is the type of league that values the input of all members and we welcome changes proposed by any member new or old. Trade panel is just our most contentious issue since there are members strongly against it has gone through changes like for a period of time there were no votes and a private discussion was held if there was one veto. The only thing I have learned in my time in different fantasy leagues is there is no magic way to handle trades that keeps all GMs happy. No panel leagues lead to bickering when certain GMs are constantly abused to the point where their team is bad beyond repair and leagues with even a threat of vetoes leads to GMs complaining that no one has the right to tell them who they can or can't trade. Anyways I should stop taking the focus away from the playoffs and leave this type of discussion for the offseason. |
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