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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2015 9:10:24 GMT -5
Please leave their future firsts out of it......that way a new gm can come in and pick up the pieces.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2015 9:16:41 GMT -5
I will agree that picks are very important for any team future but I really doubt it that any gm in this league goal is to fleece a team. Every gm goal is too simply elevate their team in the area they are weaker like upgrading in goal, or obtaining their Enforcer needed or upgrade on the D or even lower their cap. So please never use fleece cause again no way in hell does any gm in here even me or Kelowna have ever target a gm and say let's fleece them and make their team weaker. So I just hate the word fleece as much as tanking.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2015 9:44:03 GMT -5
Nudge - Well......here is the deal. Most all championship teams in deep leagues are won by the people who fleece the most. I assure you for the most part it is not intentional. The low offers (or first pitches) that you come in with are fleeces. If accepted a team could harm their future significantly. And well, even though i enjoy talking to you, I do believe that you pitch these hoping for acceptance. As in the PK Subban deal where he had to add a couple firsts....cmon! A winning trade where you are not fleecing, involving a team such as yours, would be to trade Gaudreau. He brings very little to the table in this league. Others will really want him because he will win the ROY. You would be trading a "In theory great player" for an actual good player. No fleecing because it is perceived value. Perceived value is your friend in these types of leagues. I bring this up because I have been through many trades and am trying to get the most out of this league as possible. I have been on the winning side of trades that look like the Tbone trades he makes. You justify in your head why you aren't ripping the team off temporarily but after a while you know what you did and it sucks the fun out of the league for everyone, including you. I started having the most fun in these leagues when i started to say no to deals i win by too much. All i ask out of the trade committee is to give me the benefit of the doubt when making deals. Veto if you think I won by too much and pass the deal if you think i lost. There are some things i do now in leagues to prevent me from fleecing. 1. Not trade with new gms until they show competency 2. Trade off perceived value chart (in my head). Am i giving up enough to get what i am getting?  3. Be ok with not winning because the best fleecer will win. The third one i just started doing after winning many of these leagues. I didn't win because i was all that good....I won because i took advantage of gms that didn't know as much as me, whether it be the league rules or the players. Reality is......trades need to look fair day one or they shouldn't go through. If anyone quits due to a few vetos they don't have the best interest of the league in their mind. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2015 9:55:21 GMT -5
So you made this thread because you believe you may be too good for this league. So this is in fact a warning to us to let gm take advantage of you if we believe you got fleece in a deal. But to not be shy to veto your deal if we believe the other gm is getting fleece by you? HMM, I got one word to say is you are full of yourself and I believe this league will show you how intelligent our gm can be. Either way I love talking deal with you.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2015 10:05:15 GMT -5
So you made this thread because you believe you may be too good for this league. So this is in fact a warning to us to let gm take advantage of you if we believe you got fleece in a deal. But to not be shy to veto your deal if we believe the other gm is getting fleece by you? HMM, I got one word to say is you are full of yourself and I believe this league will show you how intelligent our gm can be. Either way I love talking deal with you. If that is what you choose to take out of that, fine by me. However, intentions were more to say that I don't want to win by taking advantage of new gms and incompetent ones. If others do that, i have no respect for them winning and will place my "win" to the team that actually managed prudently. But yes Nudge. I have never joined a 30 team league that i can't win in a year or two. It isn't ego or overconfidence, it is fact. However, I don't care about winning anymore. I care about being honorable in my dealings and enjoy the ride. So, it is unlikely i will win this league, and I am ok with that and will enjoy a new approach to fantasy hockey. |
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Post by Bruyns (Barrie) on Apr 27, 2015 10:15:38 GMT -5
Can you provide some links for these keeper leagues that you are winning? www.bbkl.cawww.puckbuddies.proboards.comrealnhlgm.proboards.comstanleit.com I am in these and they are all active and competitive. I'm just curious what other leagues are out there that are so poor in competition that you can win a 30 team league in a year or two and it's a fact when most leagues there is luck involved of certain players going hot or cold during a week in the playoffs. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2015 10:33:09 GMT -5
Can you provide some links for these keeper leagues that you are winning? www.bbkl.cawww.puckbuddies.proboards.comrealnhlgm.proboards.comstanleit.com I am in these and they are all active and competitive. I'm just curious what other leagues are out there that are so poor in competition that you can win a 30 team league in a year or two and it's a fact when most leagues there is luck involved of certain players going hot or cold during a week in the playoffs. If you can manage a cap and trade anything is possible. You have to be hyperactive of course too. I don't need to prove anything to you. My favorite league was this one, y2kfhl.com, which has been around since 1999 and has many good gms. I won that one the last 3 years pretty much. Technically lost in the lockout year by 14 pts or something but would have won in 82 games  . My other favorite one was pshl which disbanded after commish went MIA. Maybe I am a huge noob that never got a chance to play against a gm like you. Could be, either way i don't want to take advantage of the incompetent gms every league has. |
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Post by Bruyns (Barrie) on Apr 27, 2015 10:43:29 GMT -5
Can you provide some links for these keeper leagues that you are winning? www.bbkl.cawww.puckbuddies.proboards.comrealnhlgm.proboards.comstanleit.com I am in these and they are all active and competitive. I'm just curious what other leagues are out there that are so poor in competition that you can win a 30 team league in a year or two and it's a fact when most leagues there is luck involved of certain players going hot or cold during a week in the playoffs. If you can manage a cap and trade anything is possible. You have to be hyperactive of course too. I don't need to prove anything to you. My favorite league was this one, y2kfhl.com, which has been around since 1999 and has many good gms. I won that one the last 3 years pretty much. Technically lost in the lockout year by 14 pts or something but would have won in 82 games . My other favorite one was pshl which disbanded after commish went MIA. Maybe I am a huge noob that never got a chance to play against a gm like you. Could be, either way i don't want to take advantage of the incompetent gms every league has. Looks like y2kfhl stopped after 2012-13. Wasn't trying to make you prove anything was only curious where these keeper leagues are that are so easy to win and filled with incompetent GMs. I provided links to established, active competitive keeper leagues since I was trying to prove a point that the internet has good keeper leagues available. I asked for your leagues because your experience with keeper leagues being that easy was confusing to me so I was looking for examples. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2015 10:48:24 GMT -5
I realized Frank was getting the better end of the deal, but my primary purpose was to try and reallocate my cap% a bit because I have too much cap space tied up in Dmen (PK, Phaneuf, Wiz). I see Faulk as one of the best values on a Fantrax point/salary dollar ratio in this format, and thought that while I would be taking a downgrade on D, I get an upgrade by going from Chiasson to Johansson, and some extra cap space to use on bolstering my group of forwards.
I didn't see this as a fleecing. It was strictly a cap issue and my own personal preference that I value F more than D, since there are more forwards on active roster I want to maximize those spots and allocate the lion's share of salary to my forward group...the more bargains I have on D, the more cap space I can allocate to my forwards.
Regardless, I do think that the trade panel does act with the league's best intentions in mind, so I have no issues with their decision to apply the veto. It kind of works to my advantage a bit, in that it seems to drive up the price for Subban...so I will get a better deal or just hang on to him and look at moving a different salary from my D.
I notice people getting a bit riled up about all this, so just remember lads that this is a hockey pool, and a free one at that. Certainly nothing worth getting too worked up about!
Cheers,
Kevin
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2015 10:50:22 GMT -5
Ah....ya we got rid of the site because it was a waste of money.
TBh it took me 5 years to win y2kfhl because my best player when i started was Matt Stajan.
PShl took me one and a few other randoms didn't take long.
Either way....i am done bragging. I just wanted people to know i had experience so i got the benefit of the doubt in my dealings.
Thanks!
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Post by Bruyns (Barrie) on Apr 27, 2015 10:52:59 GMT -5
I realized Frank was getting the better end of the deal, but my primary purpose was to try and reallocate my cap% a bit because I have too much cap space tied up in Dmen (PK, Phaneuf, Wiz). I see Faulk as one of the best values on a Fantrax point/salary dollar ratio in this format, and thought that while I would be taking a downgrade on D, I get an upgrade by going from Chiasson to Johansson, and some extra cap space to use on bolstering my group of forwards. I didn't see this as a fleecing. It was strictly a cap issue and my own personal preference that I value F more than D, since there are more forwards on active roster I want to maximize those spots and allocate the lion's share of salary to my forward group...the more bargains I have on D, the more cap space I can allocate to my forwards. Regardless, I do think that the trade panel does act with the league's best intentions in mind, so I have no issues with their decision to apply the veto. It kind of works to my advantage a bit, in that it seems to drive up the price for Subban...so I will get a better deal or just hang on to him and look at moving a different salary from my D. I notice people getting a bit riled up about all this, so just remember lads that this is a hockey pool, and a free one at that. Certainly nothing worth getting too worked up about! Cheers, Kevin Appreciate you not taking it personal or being upset. |
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Post by Dave (PLK) on Apr 27, 2015 10:55:00 GMT -5
I realized Frank was getting the better end of the deal, but my primary purpose was to try and reallocate my cap% a bit because I have too much cap space tied up in Dmen (PK, Phaneuf, Wiz). I see Faulk as one of the best values on a Fantrax point/salary dollar ratio in this format, and thought that while I would be taking a downgrade on D, I get an upgrade by going from Chiasson to Johansson, and some extra cap space to use on bolstering my group of forwards. I didn't see this as a fleecing. It was strictly a cap issue and my own personal preference that I value F more than D, since there are more forwards on active roster I want to maximize those spots and allocate the lion's share of salary to my forward group...the more bargains I have on D, the more cap space I can allocate to my forwards. Regardless, I do think that the trade panel does act with the league's best intentions in mind, so I have no issues with their decision to apply the veto. It kind of works to my advantage a bit, in that it seems to drive up the price for Subban...so I will get a better deal or just hang on to him and look at moving a different salary from my D. I notice people getting a bit riled up about all this, so just remember lads that this is a hockey pool, and a free one at that. Certainly nothing worth getting too worked up about! Cheers, Kevin Exactly!! |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2015 11:47:16 GMT -5
I realized Frank was getting the better end of the deal, but my primary purpose was to try and reallocate my cap% a bit because I have too much cap space tied up in Dmen (PK, Phaneuf, Wiz). I see Faulk as one of the best values on a Fantrax point/salary dollar ratio in this format, and thought that while I would be taking a downgrade on D, I get an upgrade by going from Chiasson to Johansson, and some extra cap space to use on bolstering my group of forwards. I didn't see this as a fleecing. It was strictly a cap issue and my own personal preference that I value F more than D, since there are more forwards on active roster I want to maximize those spots and allocate the lion's share of salary to my forward group...the more bargains I have on D, the more cap space I can allocate to my forwards. Regardless, I do think that the trade panel does act with the league's best intentions in mind, so I have no issues with their decision to apply the veto. It kind of works to my advantage a bit, in that it seems to drive up the price for Subban...so I will get a better deal or just hang on to him and look at moving a different salary from my D. I notice people getting a bit riled up about all this, so just remember lads that this is a hockey pool, and a free one at that. Certainly nothing worth getting too worked up about! Cheers, Kevin I agree with but what really derailed our deal was the extra I receive with out you getting a extra D to replace Nemeth. And I agree that the 1st waiver pick 2015 was too much and the tipping point of the deal. The funny thing I could careless about waiver picks but like some gm as demonstrated (Kelowna) that you can get a few steals if you do your research. The biggest reason why I could careless about the waiver draft is because we have a limit of roster spot in our roster, so by the time the waiver draft roll around I'm normally at the max or very close. So by that point I need to trade then for future picks. |
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. My other favorite one was pshl which disbanded after commish went MIA. 