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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2015 9:49:55 GMT -5
Just looked at a few and looked at some moronic statistics. Why are we going to allow these players to play wing?  Noone that had over xxxx amout faceoffs won and is a franchise center should be allowed to play at wing. Why would we just let fantrax arbitrarily assign player positioning and have it affect our league so much? W O'Reilly, Ryan C,W - BUF Active 82 17 38 55 -5 12 171 1 14 38 48 713 Datsyuk, Pavel C,W - DET Ankle - Out Indefinitely Active 63 26 39 65 12 8 165 5 24 51 28 601 Johansen, Ryan C,W - CBJ Active 82 26 45 71 -6 40 202 0 28 84 33 851 Pavelski, Joe C,W - SJ Active 82 37 33 70 12 29 261 5 31 97 86 642 Kesler, Ryan C,W - ANA Active 81 20 27 47 -5 75 205 4 14 169 69 937 |
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Post by Vancouver Canucks on Jul 13, 2015 9:59:21 GMT -5
My suggestion.
We should ensure the top 120 (30teams x 4 centers) FOW only have C status.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2015 10:40:17 GMT -5
There are a few players with weird positions. Use an Isles line as an example. Anders Lee won a single faceoff and is a C only. Brock Nelson took 800 faceoffs and is a W only. Strome played mostly W, only taking 319 faceoffs on the season, and is a C only.
Rule in another league is 7.0+ faceoffs taken per game is a C, but there is also no duals in there.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2015 10:50:04 GMT -5
There are a few players with weird positions. Use an Isles line as an example. Anders Lee won a single faceoff and is a C only. Brock Nelson took 800 faceoffs and is a W only. Strome played mostly W, only taking 319 faceoffs on the season, and is a C only. Rule in another league is 7.0+ faceoffs taken per game is a C, but there is also no duals in there. sounds like a good rule. |
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Post by WillyBilly (Tire Fires) on Jul 13, 2015 12:06:25 GMT -5
Shaw took 700 faceoffs and is now a W
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2015 12:10:29 GMT -5
There are a few players with weird positions. Use an Isles line as an example. Anders Lee won a single faceoff and is a C only. Brock Nelson took 800 faceoffs and is a W only. Strome played mostly W, only taking 319 faceoffs on the season, and is a C only. Rule in another league is 7.0+ faceoffs taken per game is a C, but there is also no duals in there. 7 is way too high. I would say 5 face off per game would be sufficent. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2015 12:12:52 GMT -5
Anyone using a wooden stick and averages greater than 5.86 faceoffs a game should be deemed a C. Those who use composite sticks and take an average of greater than 4.294832 faceoffs per game will be deemed C.
I'm all about keeping it simple.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2015 12:22:04 GMT -5
Anyone using a wooden stick and averages greater than 5.86 faceoffs a game should be deemed a C. Those who use composite sticks and take an average of greater than 4.294832 faceoffs per game will be deemed C. I'm all about keeping it simple. Is this on behalf of Cody and I ? Why I say this is because I m born in 1986 and Cody is 5 feet nothing !!  . By the way I agree with you to keep it simple!! |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2015 12:30:46 GMT -5
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Post by Vancouver Canucks on Jul 13, 2015 12:38:04 GMT -5
I suggested 120 (4 per team). Alot of wingers take face-offs because the center gets thrown out so a winger taking 7 faceoffs a game should not be penalized. Again just my suggestion.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2015 12:45:31 GMT -5
This makes an extreme amount of sense. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2015 12:46:27 GMT -5
I suggested 120 (4 per team). Alot of wingers take face-offs because the center gets thrown out so a winger taking 7 faceoffs a game should not be penalized. Again just my suggestion. If we ever did change it , I would prefer going with stats to lean on then simply say top 4 center on each team. I would need to look at the number closer to make a final decision on which number to use . Also we would have the right to overturn a position and to do that we would need to number to lean on . Let s say a player was a center last year but this year decide to play him on the wing. So after let's say 20 games you would have the right to ask for this or that player to be switch if he s under the criteria was say we take 4 face off per game and Seguin is taking 4 per game for 20 game. You would have possibility to change C to W . But only between 20-25 games you would have possibility to make such change. After this the window is close until the 45 game . This is just a quick idea !! |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2015 12:50:54 GMT -5
I suggested 120 (4 per team). Alot of wingers take face-offs because the center gets thrown out so a winger taking 7 faceoffs a game should not be penalized. Again just my suggestion. If we ever did change it , I would prefer going with stats to lean on then simply say top 4 center on each team. I would need to look at the number closer to make a final decision on which number to use . Also we would have the right to overturn a position and to do that we would need to number to lean on . Let s say a player was a center last year but this year decide to play him on the wing. So after let's say 20 games you would have the right to ask for this or that player to be switch if he s under the criteria was say we take 4 face off per game and Seguin is taking 4 per game for 20 game. You would have possibility to change C to W . But only between 20-25 games you would have possibility to make such change. After this the window is close until the 45 game . This is just a quick idea !! Now you're back to Puck rules. Applying any of these kind of rules opens a can of worms since this league has duals. Getting rid of duals would be a major change in here when teams have been building for years under the pretense that duals are legal. Not sure that's a good road to go down. When enacted in the beginning of a league, it's very different than applying after a few years. My point to all of this is to show information that is used in other leagues to determine positions. In here I would recommend sticking to whatever Fantrax assigns, and leave open the door for change requests to the commissioners if you think a player should be altered. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2015 13:03:46 GMT -5
it wouldn't change a ton of people. And well here are the main players that can play wing and many are top line centers.
This list is anyone that has wing elig and over 4 fow per game. Guessing they took at least 7 draws or so.
Rk Pos Player GP FOW
1 C,W Kesler, Ryan - ANA 81 937 11.56790123
3 C,W Little, Bryan - WPG 70 762 10.88571429
2 C,W Johansen, Ryan - CBJ 82 851 10.37804878
9 C,W Datsyuk, Pavel - DET 63 601 9.53968254
15 C,W Dubinsky, Brandon - CBJ 47 436 9.276595745
4 C,W O'Reilly, Ryan - BUF 82 713 8.695121951
5 C,W Pavelski, Joe - SJ 82 642 7.829268293
6 C,W Duchene, Matt - COL 82 635 7.743902439
8 C,W Zibanejad, Mika - OTT 80 615 7.6875
7 C,W Carter, Jeff - LA 82 627 7.646341463
14 C,W Girgensons, Zemgus - BUF 61 440 7.213114754
10 C,W Fiddler, Vernon - DAL 80 569 7.1125
11 C,W Zetterberg, Henrik - DET 77 541 7.025974026
17 W Mitchell, Torrey - MON 65 399 6.138461538
13 C,W Fehr, Eric - (N/A) 75 449 5.986666667
12 C,W Couture, Logan - SJ 82 477 5.817073171
31 C,W Richards, Mike - (N/A) 53 289 5.452830189
18 C,W Richards, Brad - DET 76 399 5.25
19 W Cliche, Marc-Andre - COL 74 377 5.094594595
16 W Lowry, Adam - WPG 80 402 5.025
26 C,W Malkin, Evgeni - PIT 69 322 4.666666667
23 W Shaw, Andrew - CHI 79 357 4.518987342
20 C,W Soderberg, Carl - COL 82 369 4.5
21 C,W Gagner, Sam - PHI 81 361 4.456790123
22 W Bellemare, Pierre-Edouard - PHI 81 360 4.444444444
24 W Nelson, Brock - NYI 82 354 4.317073171
25 C,W Coyle, Charlie - MIN 82 334 4.073170732
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Post by Vancouver Canucks on Jul 13, 2015 13:49:17 GMT -5
I suggested 120 (4 per team). Alot of wingers take face-offs because the center gets thrown out so a winger taking 7 faceoffs a game should not be penalized. Again just my suggestion. If we ever did change it , I would prefer going with stats to lean on then simply say top 4 center on each team. I would need to look at the number closer to make a final decision on which number to use . Also we would have the right to overturn a position and to do that we would need to number to lean on . Let s say a player was a center last year but this year decide to play him on the wing. So after let's say 20 games you would have the right to ask for this or that player to be switch if he s under the criteria was say we take 4 face off per game and Seguin is taking 4 per game for 20 game. You would have possibility to change C to W . But only between 20-25 games you would have possibility to make such change. After this the window is close until the 45 game . This is just a quick idea !! Just to clarify, I am not saying 4 centers per team per se. I was saying the top 120 FOW (or face-offs taken as per NHL.com) should be classified center only. |
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. By the way I agree with you to keep it simple!!