Retooling Canner and Calgary idea

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Hey guy's,

after pondering on what we should do with Canners and Calgary since those gm have abandon us. So some had the idea of just going from 24 to 22 gm since it's been pretty much impossible getting anyone to take over Calgary these last few months and do a dispersal draft with their players. Then Some said to keep searching for two gm. But how about we post a thread on hfboards about looking for two gm to take over two team but the twist is they would be their own savior by drafting within. So yes do a dispersal draft with Calgary and Canners property, that mean every nhlers with contract,prospects,waivers and entry draft picks(only 2015) would go in the draft. So we would have a lottery draft to see who won the 1st pick and then the draft would be a certain number of round. So let's say 50 round!! So the winner of the lottery pick would start with the first pick then the second would make two selection which would be ( 2nd and 3rd picks) and then the it's a pick each. This way it's fair and both gm would create their own legacy. If we go with this idea, I would advise us to not give the team until we know of the lottery pick winner and yes this mean we would wait after the season is done to do this dispersal draft since it would be unfair for a gm to take a pick like 1st canners but be in the dark for which overall it is. Also we should also make a rule of 1 goalie at a time meaning a gm wouldn't be able to take two goalie until the other gm as one or let's say one goalie per 10 round !!




So what does everyone think about this idea ?

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Ya so just eliminate those two teams now out of our league. Not sure if that is possible though.

Otherwise, maybe assigning a temporary GM to manage the team. (line-up changes, etc.)

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I never said eliminate those team now. What I would advise us to do is have a two gm from the staff to take over those two team for the rest of the season. After the playoff is done we make my idea happen.
So that mean Calgary would still have a shot at making the playoff and so on.

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I suppose my question would be - what is the advantage of this idea over contracting to a 22 team league? (If there is a specific advantage to a 24 team, please let me know).

If we implement the idea above, this likely means that the Canners team will get better, and the Calgary team will get worse. So we will still be looking for two GMs to take over really bad teams.

If we contract, it would be based on reverse order of standings...presumably that would help league parity (an advantage). So I'm wondering what the key argument is to keeping with 24 teams?

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Good idea. By having 2 new GMs draft their own team in such a manner those 2 will have a sense of ownership of their respective teams. This will greatly increase the likelihood of longer term stability within both the vacant teams, and the league itself.

As to the operation of both teams for the remainder of the season, I am in favour of the league operating these teams. Keeping the roster line ups both current, and as competitive as they can be (without any transactions that is).

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When I saw this idea in the Shoutbox, I was under the impression that we would enact this 2 team disperal plan ASAP. This way we get back 2 new GMs and their teams can proceed as normal making deals and planning ahead.

If we are just going to wait until the season is over, I see no advantage to doing it. We'll have 2 zombie rosters that can't make deals.

It would be more simple to contract to 22 now and expand back to 24 later if we feel compelled to maintain 24 teams.

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Dec 13, 2014 14:29:38 GMT -5 @davel said:

When I saw this idea in the Shoutbox, I was under the impression that we would enact this 2 team disperal plan ASAP. This way we get back 2 new GMs and their teams can proceed as normal making deals and planning ahead.

If we are just going to wait until the season is over, I see no advantage to doing it. We'll have 2 zombie rosters that can't make deals.

It would be more simple to contract to 22 now and expand back to 24 later if we feel compelled to maintain 24 teams.

The thing you need to understand is that to make this idea to work the gm taking over the teams need to know which overall are the pick for the 2015 picks.
How can one of them say I take the 1st canner over Nicklas Backstrom by not knowing they have the 1st,2nd,3rd overall pick ? I could do it now but like I mention it wouldn't be fair for those two gm to do so.

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You could just put the players in the draft, and leave their draft picks as they are. That way they are only drafting from known quantities?

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I agree that it is tricky to add new GMs at mid-season, but that sort of validates the idea of just contracting 2 teams now and then expanding at a later time when all variables will be known.

I think new GMs would be even more enticed to join by having a clean slate through an expansion draft rather than dividing up the rosters of two bottom 8 teams.

Let's say there's 16 teams in the hunt for the playoffs, those teams depend on having sellers available to make deals. If 2 of those 8 teams are on autopilot, we might hurt the trade activity for the league.

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Dec 13, 2014 14:47:06 GMT -5 @davel said:

I agree that it is tricky to add new GMs at mid-season, but that sort of validates the idea of just contracting 2 teams now and then expanding at a later time when all variables will be known.

I think new GMs would be even more enticed to join by having a clean slate through an expansion draft rather than dividing up the rosters of two bottom 8 teams.

Let's say there's 16 teams in the hunt for the playoffs, those teams depend on having sellers available to make deals. If 2 of those 8 teams are on autopilot, we might hurt the trade activity for the league.

I get what your saying but I really don't want to drop from 24 to 22 and I really don't think we will find a gm for Canners before the end of the season. So at the end of the day you might just have try and trade with those 6 other team that might trade with you. Either way I really don't think I'll have trouble finding two gm for my idea.

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Dropping to 22 teams would be temporary until the end of this season. With 2 non-playoff teams on autopilot, we will effectively have a 22 team league anyway.

I think the league's clear preference is to stay at 24 teams long term.

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I just don't get why we would drop to 22 team now. Where would those player's go ? It wouldn't solve the problem you mention about trading. I just feel my idea would bring a lot of activity during the off season where's more needed then now.

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I havent played canners yet. Im forced to bank some of those points to even make the playoffs. So we cant be eliminating those temas yet.

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If you dropped to 22 teams, presumably those players would go into a dispersal draft...and the existing 22 teams would stock up on players. It could be VERY interesting if this was done in a manner consistent with waiver rules. (i.e., if you drafted backstrom, you'd need to put him on your main roster, needing the cap space and roster space to do so). A dispersal draft like that would introduce tons of strategic decisions.

And we could expand again in the off season, assuming we find two quality GMs.

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Dec 13, 2014 16:57:15 GMT -5 @alsrevenge said:

If you dropped to 22 teams, presumably those players would go into a dispersal draft...and the existing 22 teams would stock up on players. It could be VERY interesting if this was done in a manner consistent with waiver rules. (i.e., if you drafted backstrom, you'd need to put him on your main roster, needing the cap space and roster space to do so). A dispersal draft like that would introduce tons of strategic decisions.

And we could expand again in the off season, assuming we find two quality GMs.

I just hate this idea and that would never work during the season. No fucking way that would ever make sense to do such a thing in the middle of a season.
During the off it could be a ok idea but I just hate hate the idea of giving more to the weaker team. So that mean we are rewarding the team that sucks and punishing the team that have done their homework and having success ? Why not give my idea a shot ? It can't be because we would have 2 ghost team for the rest of the season cause that's not enough to make a 24 league team dissolve into a 22 team. Even if we had only 16 gm, I'm sure there would be some gm that wouldn't log in every day.