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Post by Vancouver Canucks on May 4, 2015 15:50:54 GMT -5
I voted no based on Matt's response. If Matt's information turns out to be wrong, I may adjust my vote. I believe we should try and follow the NHL. In saying that, this all goes back to the inaugural draft. Owners were drafting players knowing that they could stash them in the minors. At the time I expressed my concerns to Dave but it was to late. I personally will not hoard players in the minors.
I can use Boyd Gordon as an example. I have placed him on the block and it would not take much to acquire him. Soon after, someone sent me a PM stating I could put him in my minors waiver free but I refuse to do that.
Everyone has there own strategy and as long as it is within the rules, do as you please. i personally will not hoard players.
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Post by Bruyns (Barrie) on May 4, 2015 15:51:36 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2015 15:54:08 GMT -5
Before I vote, I would like to know what the NHL handles these during the playoffs? Does anyone know? I do not have time at the moment to research it. "For playoffs, teams may recall an unlimited number of players, but is limited to only three recalled players on the active roster at once. That is, unless it recalled four players following the trade deadline, in which case it can keep all four for the remainder of the playoffs." After the NHL trade deadline teams no longer have to carry a maximum of 23 players, it is unlimited and they only have to stay under 50 contracts and 90 reserves. 18 and 19 year olds in juniors with a contract count towards the 90, but not the 50. NHL teams never lose a player to waivers in the playoffs since they can keep an unlimited amount of players on their roster so they never need to expose a player to waivers to play someone else. This is why I prefer no waivers in the playoffs, teams should be able to dress their best cap compliant roster and shouldn't have to worry about a team finishing in 22 or 23 stealing a player from them during our finals since they have a player that is questionable and want to dress someone else. I agree with you MAtt and this COdy kid is a pain in the ass. Just don't get why we are doing this pool. We shouldn't need to put everything threw vote. We have a panel of Commish that have the power to choose what's best for the league. When adding stats or stuff like then that I would agree that every gm need to be heard since it will affect how this build their team. So again why do this poll ? |
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Post by Dave (PLK) on May 4, 2015 15:56:09 GMT -5
they can call up, but not send down......
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Post by Dave (PLK) on May 4, 2015 15:57:30 GMT -5
"Starting twelve days before the start of the season and ending on the day of each team's final game, teams wishing to loan players on their active rosters to any other league must first place the player on waivers. Every day at noon Eastern Time, the league publishes the list of players on waivers. For a 24 hour period following publication of the list, players on waivers cannot be loaned or traded. All other teams in the league are eligible to claim any player on waivers. If no team places a claim, then the team can loan the player to another league." Each team's final game is final regular season game if they don't make the playoffs, and elimination game if they make the playoffs. I have read this in many different sites. |
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2015 15:57:49 GMT -5
This is why I prefer no waivers in the playoffs, teams should be able to dress their best cap compliant roster and shouldn't have to worry about a team finishing in 22 or 23 stealing a player from them during our finals since they have a player that is questionable and want to dress someone else.
But our rules allow unlimited burying of cap in the minors, the NHL fixed that loophole. If you want to make the argument to do it like the NHL, then contracts buried in the minors would also count against our cap, like they do in the NHL. The NHL has rules in place to prevent a team from placing a zillion high paid players in the minors. We do not. |
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Post by Bruyns (Barrie) on May 4, 2015 15:58:34 GMT -5
they can call up, but not send down...... Don't need to send anyone down since roster space is unlimited. |
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Post by Bruyns (Barrie) on May 4, 2015 16:00:10 GMT -5
"Starting twelve days before the start of the season and ending on the day of each team's final game, teams wishing to loan players on their active rosters to any other league must first place the player on waivers. Every day at noon Eastern Time, the league publishes the list of players on waivers. For a 24 hour period following publication of the list, players on waivers cannot be loaned or traded. All other teams in the league are eligible to claim any player on waivers. If no team places a claim, then the team can loan the player to another league." Each team's final game is final regular season game if they don't make the playoffs, and elimination game if they make the playoffs. I have read this in many different sites. Not debating this, but you have been a hockey fan a long time and do you ever recall a player being put on waivers during the playoffs? It doesn't happen since teams don't need to send anyone down to call someone up. |
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Post by Bruyns (Barrie) on May 4, 2015 16:01:34 GMT -5
The main reason why we have so many NHLers in the minors is we are a 24 team league with a pool of players from 30 teams. As long as we operate this way there will always be decent NHL players in team's minors.
If this is what the majority of the league wants then OK, but this will make buried players in the minors stay buried since you can't send someone down to call them up. Having no waivers in the playoffs gives value to depth players in the minors and without it then I believe it would make a lot of players have close to 0 value and make depth not as important. The advantage of a 24 team league is it allows everyone to keep depth as opposed to a 30 team league where a team keeping depth makes it so others can't dress a full team of NHLers.
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2015 16:02:28 GMT -5
Barrie is correct. There is a 90 roster limit in the playoffs.
But this still doesn't address my point above; the NHL has a system in place to prevent teams from stockpiling a ton of massive one-way salaries in the minors (only a portion can be counted against the cap). We are operating in the old system, where any player could just be buried without penalty.
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2015 16:03:54 GMT -5
Barrie is correct. There is a 90 roster limit in the playoffs.
But this still doesn't address my point above; the NHL has a system in place to prevent teams from stockpiling a ton of massive one-way salaries in the minors (only a portion can be counted against the cap). We are operating in the old system, where any player could just be buried without penalty.
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2015 16:04:23 GMT -5
Barrie is correct. There is a 90 roster limit in the playoffs.
But this still doesn't address my point above; the NHL has a system in place to prevent teams from stockpiling a ton of massive one-way salaries in the minors (only a portion can be counted against the cap). We are operating in the old system, where any player could just be buried without penalty.
Well, I could also argue that since we're a 24 team league, not all NHL rules make sense in our context.
I believe our current rules will promote a massive lack of parity in teams, which is a league killer.
That's just my personal opinion, though.
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2015 16:07:27 GMT -5
Barrie is correct. There is a 90 roster limit in the playoffs.
But this still doesn't address my point above; the NHL has a system in place to prevent teams from stockpiling a ton of massive one-way salaries in the minors (only a portion can be counted against the cap). We are operating in the old system, where any player could just be buried without penalty.
Well, I could also argue that since we're a 24 team league, not all NHL rules make sense in our context.
I believe our current rules will promote a massive lack of parity in teams, which is a league killer.
That's just my personal opinion, though.
Parity has to be addressed now. usually greed forces the league to do other stuff. I think we have a good group so let's fix it now. |
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Post by Bruyns (Barrie) on May 4, 2015 16:09:38 GMT -5
Barrie is correct. There is a 90 roster limit in the playoffs.
But this still doesn't address my point above; the NHL has a system in place to prevent teams from stockpiling a ton of massive one-way salaries in the minors (only a portion can be counted against the cap). We are operating in the old system, where any player could just be buried without penalty.
We have to allow one way contracts to not count in the minors since we only have 24 teams. The amount of cap from all NHL players only works in a 30 team league. |
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Post by Bruyns (Barrie) on May 4, 2015 16:11:07 GMT -5
I think this league has good parity. 20 of 24 teams easily have a chance at the playoffs next season and anything can happen in a one week matchup.
I'm posting too much though and will let others share their opinions.
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